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Brazilians ? Why not ?

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I have been doing research as you do, and I'm left wondering for the majority of cases why wouldn't you choose brazilians? They bring the rates of CC, rotation and rippling right down compared to other implant types. Replacement rates being on average 10-15 yrs (braz )compared to 7 yrs due to one of these complications. I'm probably naive but it appears to be a no brainer.

I have had a phone consult with my surgeon and with what he saw of my minimal breast tissue he felt braz where not a good choice for me. But based on this info I have come across I feel my money will be possibly better spent and less chance of revision if I push for Brazilians. I have my pre op appointment next week and I'm wondering if I should really push for it or go with his recommendations? Any thoughs or opinions would be great :)

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Hi Hayley...that was pretty much the approach of my surgeon...why not.. I have brazilian teardrops and had very little breast tissue (virtually no upper pole at all) and they were the only option for me as far as my Dr was concerned.

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I keep reading mixed studies on bazilians. So I'm thinking ill just keep reading.

Here's something I found during my research:

Many patients want to know about "furry" Brazilian implants which are being promoted heavily and marketed in Australia by both cosmetic and plastic surgeons. Having used these implants under their correct name as polyurethane implants and having been involved with this implant for over 30 years, I feel qualified to comment on some of the myths leading information that is turning out in the media, the Internet, printed media and magazines.

The implants have been recently introduced.

Not true. They were first introduced in the 1970s and were called the Ashley implant.

Dr Ashley was a plastic surgeon in Los Angeles.

The foam is incorporated into the body.

That is the problem. It degenerates with time and its by-products and the process of degeneration is chronic inflammation. There have been serious worries about the by-products of the implant in the past and whether it could have been carcinogenic or not. After the implant foam has degenerated, the body is exposed then to a plain underlying gel implant.

Foam implants do not move.

That is true and that is a problem. They are fixed, unlike real breasts which move.

They are glued in place and give a "headlamp" like appearance.

Capsular contraction is reduced.

Not really. Because of the chronic inflammation, the scar tissue is delayed from forming. Eventually when the foreign body reaction dissolves the foam, the old silicone implant is exposed and capsular contraction then occurs. There is a honeymoon period. Dr Ben Cohney reviewed his cases of this type of implant with the 1980s version of the polyurethane implant and they ended up with a high rate of capsular contraction. Removing the capsule and putting in a new implant is really difficult because the foam has broken off and is nearly impossible to remove and it is a real chore to try and clean it up.

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For everything you read on the net, there will be differences of opinion. Many years of use overseas has shown that covering silicon gel implants with a polyurethane foam surface reduces the risk of capsular contracture, to between 1 and 2%. Polyurethane has also been used safely in humans for decades such as pacemakers and blook vessel grafts, like all silicone gel implants the foam covered implants have been improved over the years. They are used in many countries worldwide, mine move very well, are very soft and pliable. I have faith in my Dr, who also said that they were not difficult to remove if needed. Its a good idea for everyone to research and check with their Dr to find what might be the best implant for them.

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I agree mostly everything I have read about brazilians has been positive, this is one negative thing I read and it is 1 dr's opinion, I'm not sure of his reputation or when it was published. Just thought it was food for thought.

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Hi Hayley :) Personally, Brazilians were a no-brainer for me. I agree with everything Cherry Pie has said & definitely do lots of research! Also, don't believe everything you read, just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's true ;)

I have read what Kiddi has posted before & it simply is not true... (true they are not new, just relatively new to Oz) They may not move in the beginning, but they definitely move now, I have actually recently posted some pics of this... I think some Drs will try & talk you out of something if they are not familiar or confident in using a particular implant etc be it Brazilians or anatomicals, for example.

I remember reading a little while back that a lady here went to see a surgeon who told her smooth, round implants placed over the muscle "worked best for everybody" Not true! Be very wary of any surgeon that says anything like this! Oh, & don't talk your surgeon into using Brazilians if they don't have a lot of experience with them, simply find one that does if you're going with them. They are the most difficult to place but not difficult for an experienced surgeon to remove (this is another trick they use) Dr Daniel Fleming has a YouTube video of him removing one in about 1 minute!!

Who was your phone consult with, Hayley?

I also had little breast tissue & told I have a "bony chest" & Brazilians were fine, I don't really see why they wouldn't be? I obviously had to go under the muscle.

:)

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Hi Hayley

That surgeon you quote prefers saline implants. The polies used years ago are different to today and he is quoting an out dated paper because no doubt it benefits his business.

Some surgeons don't offer them because they are different to use and some don't want to have to go through the learning curve and prefer to use what they are used to, whether there is something better or not.

Get a second opinion if you are concerned.

Which surgeon are you seeing?

GG

Edited by GussyGirl
Auto correct turned Kiddi into kidding!

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Not sure why he wouldn't think they are suitable for you just because you don't have much pre existing breast tissue? I know plenty of girls on here have had brazilians who have started of with a small amount( including myself hehe)

I think some surgeons like to push for what they prefer/ are most comfortable using. I think get a second consultation if you are really sold on getting the brazilians.. And find a surgeon who specializes them:)

Good luck lovely x

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Here's a link to another article I read this one seems to be mostly what is posted about brazilians, from my research so far they sound awesome.

http://www.furrybrazilian.com/tag/breast-implant-operation/page/2/

I also had the thought of why are they not FDA approved made me wonder is there something about them that is being hidden, but I've researched as to why they are not FDA approved and the only reason is they believe the studies have not been long enough to fully back up the claims they are making with the reduced cc etc.

I haven't fully made up my mind yet if I want them yet or not. I think if you decide yes go with an experienced surgeon. One of the surgeons I am considering if I decide brazilians is Dr harwood.

Good luck :)

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It takes a 10 year study in the US for implants to be considered for FDA approval. It was only in 2006 that Allergan & Mentor got approval & 2012 for Silimed for their textured implants.

This all stems form the silicone crisis.

Silicone implants continued to be used around the world. Our surgeons have more experience with silicone implants than the ones in the US as they have had access to them longer.

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It's Dr Miroshnik in syd- his website is full of girls with brazilians so I feel he is well experienced. Hoping he may change his mind when he sees me in the flesh..,

Aw really, yeh Dr M is experienced in brazilians. I'd trust his opinion.. He was my 2nd option for surgeon:)

When is your consultation? Good luck, look forward to hearing what he recommends for you :)

X

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I am another very happy Dr Miroshnik client, he is very experienced with the brazilians. If you look up his web site,or facebook site you can see his work. I will be interested to see what he has to say when you see him in person Hayley.

The Brazilians are being trialed in the USA, and only select surgeons are allowed to use them, Dr Tebbetts and Dr Teitelbaum are just two of them, i think it will be just a matter of time till they are approved.

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I agree with all the girls too. my PS said they are easy to remove it has to do with the correct technique and other PS who don't use them say they are hard because they haven't had the experience with Brazilians as they like to stick to what they know/prefer using.

My PS only specialises in brazilians, so if you choose these try find a surgeon who specialises in them i recon. Also I'm from SE Melbourne and when initially researching this clinic told me they only use smooth over muscle mentor implants. I thought this was strange as not everyone can pull off over's that well, I think u've gotta pinch over 1-2cm of upper pole tissue...and overs are easier to insert and require less technique and skill.

best of luck xxx

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im really interested in the brazilian implants too. my problem is that it seems that surgeons either love them or hate them. The ones who dont use them, im wary of there rejection of them because I think it is probable it is because they don't have experience with them. On the other hand, the surgeons who do offer them, seem to love them and almost exclusively use them.

SO i find it hard to find information that i feel is impartial.

I tend to feel that those who use them, use them exclusively because they love them and they are really that good. But i just have slight hesitation on the whole breakdown of the foam thing.

Does anyone know where i could go for information that is not biased either way?

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No brainer for me - my surgeon is very professional and wants only the best of the best for his patients. I trusted him with that decision.

What if your surgeon was only using and promoting them because he was paid kickbacks? I was suggested to me that this was a very real possibility!

im really interested in the brazilian implants too. my problem is that it seems that surgeons either love them or hate them. The ones who dont use them, im wary of there rejection of them because I think it is probable it is because they don't have experience with them. On the other hand, the surgeons who do offer them, seem to love them and almost exclusively use them.

SO i find it hard to find information that i feel is impartial.

I tend to feel that those who use them, use them exclusively because they love them and they are really that good. But i just have slight hesitation on the whole breakdown of the foam thing.

Does anyone know where i could go for information that is not biased either way?

I doubt that you could find unbiased info online. I did find Mark Ashton to be very helpful and more open to discussing the pros and cons without pushing an agenda. One of my consults lectured me about how bad they were while throwing a sticky and dirty one on his desk, and both said they would be difficult to remove if they needed to be.

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Hi girls,

I have gone back and forth with the idea of getting brazilians, I'm back on wanting them again.

My main concern was the whole breakdown of the foam also, but it breaks down at such an extremely slow rate over a large amount of time, 10 yrs+ that it really has no negative affect on your body and the risk of multiple surgeries due to complications seems far worse to me than any insignificant amounts of polyurethane breakdown.

We consume far worse chemicals in our lives due to foods we eat, pesticides, additives, pollution etc in huge quantities in our lifetime, so this is no longer a concern to me in comparison.

The studies that have been done show no real risk to humans, anyway I'm sold!

Now I just have to find the right surgeon!

I'm in melbourne looking at $12000 but for those of u who went to dr harwood in brissy, can u stay overnight in hospital? Does he use drains? And how much am I looking at?

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It's Dr Miroshnik in syd- his website is full of girls with brazilians so I feel he is well experienced. Hoping he may change his mind when he sees me in the flesh..,

Oh really, well, you're definitely in good hands with Dr Miroshnik... How could you not trust such a good looking doctor? ;) I will be interested to see what he says also :) Don't think I've seen anyone who's seen a Brazilian using doc say they wouldn't be suitable.

:)

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